Re: Ed Weiland’s on 2012 Draft Passing Point Guards

I was reading Ed Weiland’s excellent peice on Point Guards. In fact he is doing a 2012 Draft like me.

Unfortunately, hoopsanalyst.com, whom he writes for, has really bad tables and his hard work is hard to read.

Here’s the Ed Weiland article I will dissect.
And here’s the chart he made below.

. Player 2PP 3PP P40 A40 S40 RSB40
. Jason Kidd 0.545 0.362 19 10.3 3.6 11.8
. Rod Strickland 0.541 0.444 24.9 9.7 3.6 8.5
. Eric Snow 0.547 0.292 13.2 9.5 2.3 6.5
. Sherman Douglas 0.594 0.368 20.6 9.7 2.1 4.8
. Rafer Alston 0.513 0.337 13.9 9.1 2.7 5.8
. Brevin Knight 0.407 0.409 20.4 9.8 3.5 8.3
. JJ Barea 0.485 0.291 25.1 10 1.5 6.8
. Moochie Norris 0.483 0.424 24.5 9.3 3.1 9.1
. Jacque Vaughn 0.493 0.345 11.5 9.1 1.2 5.8
. Bobby Hurley 0.421 0.421 19.2 9.2 1.7 4.7
. TJ Ford 0.429 0.265 17.8 9.2 2.4 7.2
. Mateen Cleaves 0.472 0.292 15 9.3 2.3 4.5
. Jared Jordan 0.511 0.298 18.1 9.2 1.4 7.7
. Omar Cook 0.424 0.309 16.1 9.1 2.4 5.8
. Chris Herren 0.435 0.383 16.6 10.6 1.5 3.9
. Kendall Marshall 0.527 0.354 9.2 11 1.4 4.5
. Scott Machado 0.537 0.404 15 11 1.8 7.5
. Jesse Sanders 0.514 0.356 14.2 9.1 1.4 10.4

I don’t want to make it a habit of rewriting other people’s work so this will probably be the only POST on this. I will probably hit him up on twitter about making better HTML tables. There’s no point in posting up tables if they look like garbage.

The big thing is the 2PP percentage. He hasn’t shown his data on his theory that >.500 college 2pt% translates into NBAness but it does SEEM true.
*Not to self: Create a 10 year list of the Top 30 point guards in the league comparing their current WP48(w/ scoring and assist efficiency) and their college WS40. I’m quite certain he’s right. But data has to show it.
RSB40 > 7 is another indicator. In many ways that fits the WS40 theory. After all, Rebounds  and steals make up 25% of the WS40 score. An Average PG scores 5 on WS40. (Keep in mind that PAWS40 and WS40 are different things)
*Again, where is the hard data for this?
I still think my percentage over average approach is better than these numbers. You get a feel of how low usage or high usage someone is. Having a good 2pt efficiency is useless if your 2pt attempts are 50% below average.
In conclusion, PGs and Centers may be the easiest positions to isolate stats for.
  • Poing guards need good RSBs. What they lack in blocks must be made up for in steals and rebounds. I would actually do RSB/PF (Personal Fouls) as every defensive stat is an opportunity for a Foul.
  • Centers need great RSBs as well, with emphasis more on Rebounds and Blocks.
I normally disregard FG% in my analysis because shooting ability never translates well into the NBA. But being high usage and having a high 2pt% may indicate many layups. And layups are a skill that translates well.
(A message to Ed: You can save a spreadsheet in html form in Google Docs. Copy the html from Google Docs and paste directly to the CMS HoopsAnalyst uses. You may have to fiddle with the html directly to make it visually appealing but the code is practically in english.)
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One Response to “Re: Ed Weiland’s on 2012 Draft Passing Point Guards”

  1. conan421 Says:

    hey, wwert. thanks for adding a lot of value to Weiland’s article.


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